Shore fishing illegal in Toronto Harbor? WTFFFFFF

**tangledline** · 03-20-2012, 04:22 PM

its amazing what can happen when we work together and use the resources and strengths of our fishing forums...fishing forums working together
makes us even stronger....each fishing forum in ontario has its own strengths to offer to fight for our cause...

**jwm** · 03-20-2012, 04:32 PM

Ive sent an email to Mike of the TPA and given him my cellphone number so that we can talk after I get off work.

There is a clear distinction now that shows the TPA bylaw is not the really problem, but the unlawful (?) enforcement of it by non TPA personnel is.

Please feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.

**tangledline** · 03-20-2012, 04:41 PM

jwm i think that you are correct....
we are going to lose some territory (lots of territory) but the way this city has grown along the harbourfront ...we are going to lose ground...
this is unstoppable
....but if we freak out and demonstrate were going to put the police in a position against us....and we will brand ourselves and all persons after us who fish ...as criminals (a legacy i do not want to establish)....we are not like that ....we are angry..... but we are civil...peaceful....respectful...diplomats of our sport/past time and ultimate passion of fishing.
i believe we need to try to salvage what territory we can....maintain and look after it....and plead for more territory or else we will depleat our resource ...the fish ..very quickly...even with catch and release...too much fishing pressure the fish will move to quieter waters.
but any territory we will gain will be through negotiations and hard work not a riot...i mention this cause many emails i have gotten suggest we do just that....i am strongly opposed to this for many reasons.

**tangledline** · 03-20-2012, 04:51 PM

yes you are correct again and yes mike riehl has already today contacted the harbourfront mgmt and told them to cease and dissist using their tpa law #24 and he has been in contact with marine unit police and i have spent 1/2 the day on the phone trying to assist in this process and so has mike h from the other forums.....this is the right direction...isolate harbourfront centre from all other organisations....they have the most territorty ...its their security that is attacking us and we publically fund them...to a small degree....its their rules and their initiatives that have brought this mess upon us....the police and mnr and toronto conservation authority have always been there to protect our resource the fish we do not want to cause them problems...

**Mike Riehl** · 03-20-2012, 04:52 PM

Originally Posted by jwm

Mike I'm at work right now but I can call you later this evening from home if you're available after 6PM. We're not trying to attack the TPA on this, we just wait clarification on this ordeal as we're being told different things by different parties under the threat of arrest and fines.

I am at an event tonight, but feel free to call my work number during the day (or if you call it, my cell number is on the message :-)

all is good...I see my role as to provide information on the role of the TPA and when I see postings / questions that might benefit from a telephone conversation, I welcome the call :-)

Michael

**evanxrs** · 03-20-2012, 06:10 PM

Hey Guys,
Thanks for all the support and information.
Just read through the whole thread from start to finish.
I find it sad and crazy that they are restricting fishing and have been power tripping by enforcing a rule that they have no right too. They have been intimidating people when you look at it.
I think we will need a map where fishing is allowed and where it is not and then have it reviewed by the authorities.
Look forward to hearing more information.

**jwm** · 03-20-2012, 06:10 PM

Originally Posted by Mike Riehl

I am at an event tonight, but feel free to call my work number during the day (or if you call it, my cell number is on the message :-)

all is good...I see my role as to provide information on the role of the TPA and when I see postings / questions that might benefit from a telephone conversation, I welcome the call :-)

Michael

Mike, hopefully we can discuss tomorrow then. I will hold of on any emails to the press until I can discuss the issue with you personally. It already sounds like there is a plan in the work and most of it involves correcting the harbourfront centre on the enforcement issue.

I want to thank you again for coming here and engaging us on our "home turf".

**jwm** · 03-20-2012, 06:12 PM

Originally Posted by evanxrs

Hey Guys,
Thanks for all the support and information.
Just read through the whole thread from start to finish.
I find it sad and crazy that they are restricting fishing and have been power tripping by enforcing a rule that they have no right too. They have been intimidating people when you look at it.
I think we will need a map where fishing is allowed and where it is not and then have it reviewed by the authorities.
Look forward to hearing more information.

Having a map or something official with this information would be very valuable in defending yourself against these types of attacks.

**tangledline** · 03-20-2012, 07:06 PM

http://www.toronto.ca/harbourfront/p...emap_links.htm
where is rest of this map????
this might work if we had the full map

**tangledline** · 03-20-2012, 08:45 PM

the following was emailed to the mnr and forwarded to the toronto port authority

my name is david clark
my cell 647 309 9850
my email dogbreathclark@hotmail.com
sat march 17 met a mnr officer at the islands...great guy....awesome to see the truck coming off the ferry.
we need more of you...but we know you do the best with what you are given...thankyou!
sun march 18 i was fishing toronto harbourfront....specifically portland quay(east of bathurst)
i was on the harbourfront trail casting into the slip....gar pike 10 metres away....yes gar....
harbourfront security car pulls up and the security officer expresses i am fishing illegally...
it is illegal to fish anywhere along the harbourfront as per the toronto port authority rule #24
he had a little toronto port authority manual...he had it open pointing to the rule....
i knew he was messing with me...but why???i was peacefully fishing....
i tried to reason with him...to no solution....
he told i had to leave...i told him i was on the trail/sidewalk and it was 5 metres wide
i was not bothering or endangering anyone....except him....
he lost his mind yelling at me and calling for more security....
he was telling me they were coming to remove me....i was gonna get a $2000. fine
police would be called and i would be facing a trespassing charge as well...
now i was angry
he was provoking me....
he was on a radio phone as well
i asked him if the harbourfront security would be removing me ...he said yes
having been a general manager at nightclubs for 20 years i did not like the sound of that...
i asked if the police were comming and he said yes...
i told him that if the police came and asked me to leave i would...but
otherwise if they tried to remove me themselves...hell was gonna open up
he left to meet the arrival of the marine unit
after chasing away 5 other fishermen from the next harbour over they came to me
police officers i have met b4 when iwas fishing....
they were really cool
they listened...they explained...they calmed me down.
they used the same toronto port authority manual...same phrases
but...they sacastically said "were sure you've got one of these port authority rule books"
they knew i did not and they knew i could not argue against it rules cause i was ignorant of them
but class guys they were they were not mocking me but the situation we were all in
they expressed that they never bothered me b4 because it was not their mandate to
they had no problem with me fishing so to speak but the rule book was such and the harbourfront security
wanted me removed...and it was their responsibility to have his back...
i understood...
they asked me to leave and fight this battle another way.....
yes that is what i did....
i am writing this to you because i was told you wanted to understand further how the toronto port authority's manual was misused...
i believe it was...i may be mistaken but i am just a simple guy fishing with a current outdoors card
the marine unit police have in their notes my name address and date of birth...i offered the info and presented my fishing outdoors card
i do have a pic of the security car and its license plate...if this helps
mike h from ontario fishing forums emailed me to get in contact with you
respectfully
david clark
ps hope to see you july 10th weekend for kids fishing day...i was there last year for 10 hours teaching kids and parents to fish and how to cheaply and safely.